Topic: No Fishing (Read 8076 times)

Auggie2612 · « **Reply #25 on:** May 29, 2009, 10:21:08 PM »

Bob you've been on the right track with everything you posted so far... We've been trying everything under the sun to get this going.. Hate to say, nothing is working for us.. We're a 12 pack in ( budlight ) and thats about it.. Maybe we could mod my Small block 350 into it for now.. heaven only knows I'm not ready for it yet in my boat.. But this thing is proven to be a Big Pain In The A**... But again we ain't beat yet..

Auggie2612 · « **Reply #26 on:** May 29, 2009, 10:28:31 PM »

Again just to add to the above... Seems everything is replaced like mentioned.. Has to be a broke wire in the harness to the motor.. we tried a different control box and still nothing..

... Like said above PI the A**.. Not beat yet though....

BobD · « **Reply #27 on:** May 30, 2009, 07:04:45 AM »

If you tried a different control box, I assume it had a different key switch. And there is still no spark on any cylinder? I believe you have a CD-3 system in which no spark means power pack, powerpack ground, charge coils or stop circuit. Check all the plugs in the harness as well as the key switch if you have not done that. If you have a multi-meter, you can use the ohm meter as a continuity tester. Electrical gremlins are a bi*ch.

Auggie2612 · « **Reply #28 on:** May 30, 2009, 05:44:27 PM »

No doubt on the gremlins.. We pulled the fly wheel and are going to try another stator monday..

BobD · « **Reply #29 on:** May 30, 2009, 06:52:57 PM »

I sense your frustration. So, the battery has a full charge, all the connections are clean & secure, the key switch & harness are good and still no spark. There are charge coils and sensor coils on the stator. And you have 3 ignition coils. Trying a different stator is probably the easiest route as testing the sensor & charge coils require a good meter. You could have a coil, on the stator, that is shorting to ground (bad insulation) and this will shut down the system. On the plus side of all this, when it gets running, all the connections will be clean & tight. At this point anything you find, although it may be small, will probably necessitate changing a larger part like the stator. Maybe go wade fishing tomorrow and deal with it on Monday. Keep the updates coming and good luck.

Dave · « **Reply #30 on:** June 01, 2009, 08:25:20 PM »

What is the latest update, is it running yet?

donahue_85 · « **Reply #31 on:** June 02, 2009, 01:16:26 AM »

I've been letting the guys handle most of the work at the shop right now. I haven't had much time to spend with it. As Auggie said, we have tried it all & no luck. I am starting to dis-like outboard engines more & more.

Really though, it is tuff trying to figure this out. I haven't heard if they tested the stator by swapping it out yet. Auggie should give us an update sometime soon. He knows more about whats going on with it right now than I do. The only thing I've noticed so far that could be a slight possibility, is the wiring harness. The short end, where it connects to the big red plug, to the engine itself. The long cable seems fine, but the wiring from the engine seems relatively soft & to get it to turn over, you have to have it in a certain position or it won't even spin over. I'm still completely clueless on this one.

Keep any good tips a comein'!!!! They do help, no matter how big or small.

Auggie2612 · « **Reply #32 on:** June 02, 2009, 08:28:47 AM »

Nothing more to update.. Same status..

Don't have a stator to try on it, believe Jon is trying to come up with one.. Be back in PG again today, leaving the house in about an hour..

BobD · « **Reply #33 on:** June 02, 2009, 03:55:23 PM »

Quote from: donahue_85 on June 02, 2009, 01:16:26 AM

The only thing I've noticed so far that could be a slight possibility, is the wiring harness. The short end, where it connects to the big red plug, to the engine itself. The long cable seems fine, but the wiring from the engine seems relatively soft & to get it to turn over, you have to have it in a certain position or it won't even spin over. I'm still completely clueless on this one.

Keep any good tips a comein'!!!! They do help, no matter how big or small.

Having to wiggle wires to make contact is a sign of a break or a loose connection. You could check continuity on each wire or use jumper wires to see if it will go. There are many possibilities. You almost have to start at the battery and actually become the current and check each leg one by one. It can be a long and frustrating process. You may replace the stator and have it work because a wire is making contact but have the same problem down the road. Good luck and keep us posted. I'm looking forward to the post that says it's fixed as I'm sure you are as well.

donahue_85 · « **Reply #34 on:** June 02, 2009, 04:14:34 PM »

Believe me, I wish I could post that it is fixed. I really wish I had another engine to steal parts from or something. That would make this trial & error process much quicker & easier. I would almost be willing to bet money that that is the issue here, the stupid harness. So far, the guys at the shop have had parts laying around to replace mine to see if they are bad, but they don't have a harness. I guess I will have to try to rig one up myself, it can't be too hard to do I wouldn't imagine.

We shall see. Auggie might have something new on her to post tonight, but I have to go & get ready for work. If you have anymore info that you could share Bob, it will be very helpful! I appreciate all of it thus far.

Angler · « **Reply #35 on:** June 02, 2009, 09:42:57 PM »

Sounds like a real PITA. It’s too bad you are have so many problems. The fishing is good.

If you don’t get it fixed and wana go fishing give a shout out.

I go out 3 or 4 times a week.

donahue_85 · « **Reply #36 on:** June 05, 2009, 03:33:48 AM »

Well, this is the post you've all been waiting for!! The problem is fixed!!!!!

I SOLD IT!

That thing was too much of a headache for me, even the guys up at the shop were scratching their heads.

It's okay, this weekend I will be the proud owner of a 120 Johnson, that runs. Just to ask, do you think that a 120 is too much for a
15' 5" bass boat?? I think it should be alright, the only thing is, that it's gonna haul some @$$!!

Please, let me know your thoughts on my question about the size of the engine. Too big or okay.

Also, I do appreciate all the help & information that you have all given to me in this grueling process of trial & error.

BobD · « **Reply #37 on:** June 05, 2009, 06:16:32 AM »

Glad you're out from under it and hope you only lost time.

As far as the 120, weight would be more of a concern than HP (you don't have to run @WOT). Is there a sticker on your boat that lists max HP? You will be adding about 25-30 lbs. and added weight and torque can stress the transom. But you should be fine. Just be careful and go catch some fish. And check out my other post in this section about driving a boat. Let us know when your back on the water.

Dave · « **Reply #38 on:** June 05, 2009, 08:08:15 AM »

120 hp sounds like a lot of motor for a 15’ boat.
My 17.5’ skiff has a max rating of 70 hp.

I would be worried about stressing the transom. Too much torque while under power and while towing.

The weight of that motor might be too much for that size boat, you don’t want to take on water over the stern. My boat is rated for 70 hp, I have a 50 on it and sometimes at anchor I have big waves come over the transom.
I don’t think my boat could take a much heavier motor and still be safe.

Too much hp could result in a mishap like the one on the youtube video BobD posted.
My 17’ with a 50 hp will do 35 mph at wot and burns about 4 gph.

Just my thoughts, good luck. I hope you get back on the water soon, the fishing has been very good.

donahue_85 · « **Reply #39 on:** June 05, 2009, 05:17:57 PM »

Yeah, my boat has a capasity plate. It says 75hp max, but the guys at the shop where my boat is say that the motor should be fine. They specialize in fiberglass repairs & fiberglass work, like building boats from scratch, making seats & stregthening transoms. They also have quite a few go fast speed boats. I'm pretty positive that they know what they are talking about.

But as you guys have stated, the only major concern I have myself is the weight. I would hate to stick my boat in the water & the stern goes under!

As far as the HP goes, I should be able to do about 65mph easily with WOT. I highly doubt that I will have a need to go that fast, ever, but it is good to have the power there when you need it. There are many posabilities that could go wrong, but I hope that no issues arise from this whole deal.

I have been thinking about the weight & torque issue as I said & I am trying to come up with an idea to somehow stregthen my transom without spending money. I thought about putting some aluminum plates up on the transom to give it more stregth. If you guys have any ideas to offer it would be helpful!!

Again, I do appreciate all the good advice & info that you all have given to me in this whole thing. I just can't wait to get my boat back out there & pull out something good!!!

julieg2 · « **Reply #40 on:** June 05, 2009, 07:02:53 PM »

Go to hear, I hope you get back on the water soon.

You’re going to have a fast boat, wow 65 mph.

Good luck to you, hope to see you on the water.
If we have nice weather tomorrow my hubby and I will be out there.

BobD · « **Reply #41 on:** June 05, 2009, 07:21:36 PM »

You could add an aluminum cap, you know, on the inside then wrap the top. If your transom is in good sharp it's probably not necessary. The difference in weight won't be that much and if your battery is in the stern, you can always move it forward. The older motors probably won't produce 120HP at the prop, more like 105-110. Not a big jump from the 75 max. The only problem you would have is with insurance or if you have an accident. A hole short is where the torque will be felt the most, so if you don't try to blast off, even that won't be an issue. Are you going to get it running this weekend? Hope you get out soon.

donahue_85 · « **Reply #42 on:** June 05, 2009, 08:16:04 PM »

I really hope to have her going this weekend, but I want to make sure everything is good to go before I just put her in the water & hope it works out okay. I don't really have much to mess with, but I still want to make sure all is good before I run into another issue.

Yeah, this thing should just about take off & fly when I'm done with it. I just need some wings, anyone got some?

It really should do right around 65+mph though! I should buy some new pants before I test it out huh.

tarponking · « **Reply #43 on:** June 10, 2009, 10:42:03 PM »

I think the weight will be a concern, but hey, give it a try. I hope all works out with your boat. I've spent the last two weeks away from the computer trying to sell my boat

so I can buy a bigger better boat. Let us know what happens.

donahue_85 · « **Reply #44 on:** June 11, 2009, 02:43:07 AM »

Will do!

Good luck selling your boat!

tarponking · « **Reply #45 on:** June 11, 2009, 07:12:09 AM »

thanks but its not going so good. I keep getting lowball offers.

donahue_85 · « **Reply #46 on:** June 11, 2009, 03:35:20 PM »

How much are you asking for it??

I've seen the pics & it looks to be in good shape!

I would be asking atleast 4000 - 5000 for it if it were mine. But you gotta remember, almost no one in this economy can afford anything right now.

I got super lucky selling my blown engine for what I did!

Anyways, what are the offers that you have been getting??

tarponking · « **Reply #47 on:** June 11, 2009, 07:29:38 PM »

I'm lookin' for close to $3,500. I've been gettin offers like 2,000 and 2,500 and some other guy wanted to trade me a playstation. I dont think 3,200-3,500 is unreasonable. what do you think?

donahue_85 · « **Reply #48 on:** June 12, 2009, 02:39:28 AM »

A Playstation?? Really?!

No way dude!! That is a sweet little flats boat you got there! I can't believe your asking that low of a price for it to begin with.

Here's a trick to selling stuff, you might already know this.

Lets say that you NEED to get 3500 out of your boat. When your trying sell it, post it up for 4000 o.b.o.

That way you have a little wiggle room to work with people that are serious buyers! Thats how I always do it when I sell ANYTHING. Sometimes you might even get lucky & get more than what you really want!
Do you have it up on Craigslist? Most people on there are low ballers & tire kickers, I had quite a few when I was trying to sell my whole boat at one point. Thats just one of the things you have to deal with when you sell stuff though.

tarponking · « **Reply #49 on:** June 12, 2009, 10:36:16 AM »

Thanks for the advice, and no I dont have it on Craigslist anymore I got sick of the lowballers.

I'll put it back on at 4,000 and take the best offer. And I'm not takin a playstation

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